Sunday, April 15, 2012

LDS and BYU struggles with Masturbation and Worthiness

So I recently started this blog in response to some recent experiences I have had while attending BYU, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saint's approved University.  My purpose in creating this blog is not to demean the church or it's university in any way, as I am a faithful member who supports the church and who strives to live the teachings of Christ.  Instead I want to create this blog for people in similar situations so that there is a place where these types of things, which normally are kept in silence, can be discussed and shared openly.  My goal is that by sharing we can strengthen each other's testimony by applying what we know to be right to draw closer to the Lord.

Too often as members of the LDS faith we do not talk as openly as we should about sex and about issues that many people are struggling with.  While searching for articles on masturbation in the church I found that there is little literature or church approved counsel or instruction on the matter.  The only official things I found were a talk by Spencer W. Kimball, Vaughn J Featherstone, and "the little factory" referenced by Packer.  All of these articles or talks were given decades ago and I wonder why there is such little talk about it when I believe it is a common problem among the youth and adults of the church.  I am going to talk very openly about my story.

When I turned 12 years old I was called into the Bishop's office for an interview to be ordained to be a deacon.  Because the Bishop was a family member, he talked to me very openly (which I appreciated) during the interview about masturbation.  He advised that sexual feelings from the body were natural and god-given and could lead to some of the closest experiences that I could have with my father in heaven, but then went on to explain masturbation and warned that it could become addictive and destructive.  I do not remember all that was said on the subject, but I remember leaving that day with the impression that it was something that was kind of bad but natural and shouldn't be done to the point where you become addicted.  I was young and innocent and prior to the interview didn't even know what the term 'masturbation' meant or what it was.  Months after the interview  I began to become curious and began touching myself in my room late at night as I would fall asleep.  It began as innocent exploration of the feelings that touching myself brought and I began to get to know myself and what aroused me and what did not.  I came to know myself and the powers that God had given me.  At times I would think about what it would be like to be married to a beautiful woman and to show her how much I loved her.  I thought about how much I would one day want to be married in the temple so that God would allow me to use this power with a woman and so I could make her feel good and so she could make me feel good.  It was safe to say that the feelings I had were quite innocent and good in nature.  Much of my experience is similar to an article I read http://www.i4m.com/think/sexuality/masturbation_help.htm.

This continued until I was about 13 or 14 when  I went over to my school friends house where he introduced me to pornography.  I remember sitting in a room as he typed a dirty website address into the internet browser.  I was afraid to say anything.  I was curious, as I never before had to deal with anything like this and didn't really understand the situation.  Inherently, I knew this isn't what I should be doing.  Later that week my curiosity led me to take this act into my own home where I began searching the internet for dirty pictures.  I remember one day my dad called me into my room and confronted me about the website adresses he had seen in the search bar.  I felt ashamed and knew this was something I needed to stop.  I worked on the problem throughout high school, struggling off and on.  I began masturbating after viewing pornography and began to feel ashamed and like I was abusing these powers.

One thing to consider is that I have never had a wet dream.  I have heard friends and missionaries talk about having them.  In Boyd K. Packer's talk about "To Young Men Only", (which was a conference talk in priesthood 1976, but since then has been taken out and off the website)  it talks about how the body has a mechanism for relieving the sexual urges through wet dreams, and how this is the natural way.

"As you move closer to manhood, this little factory will sometimes produce an oversupply of this substance. The Lord has provided a way for that to be released. It will happen without any help or without any resistance from you. Perhaps, one night you will have a dream. In the course of it the release valve that controls the factory will open and release all that is excess.
The factory and automatic release work on their own schedule. The Lord intended it to be that way. It is to regulate itself. This will not happen very often. You may go a longer period of time, and there will be no need for this to occur. When it does, you should not feel guilty. It is the nature of young manhood and is part of becoming a man."

I got the problem under control just before my mission and served an honorable mission where I never viewed pornography, but occasionally masturbated about once a month.  During lessons I felt the spirit.  I attended the temple and had many sacred experiences.  I received revelation for my investigators.  Here I learned that freedom from pornography enables you to feel the spirit, which had been lacking through periods of youth when I viewed pornography.  However, even though I occasionally masturbated on my mission, I was still able to feel the spirit on my mission.  Masturbation, without pornography, became much more innocent during this time, similar to the way it was in my childhood.  I would imagine more about the temple and dreamed of one day being married and being able to share these sacred powers.

When I returned from my mission I was great and kept up the mission standards until a few months later when I began to get involved with pornography.  Again, masturbation transformed into something more crude and without going into detail, it changed into imaginations of things that were not wholesome.

I have always tried to fight against urges, especially against pornography.  I finally overcame pornography and had left it for quite some time and went into my bishop for a temple recommend interview.  I told him about my problem with masturbation and he advised me to go to the temple more frequently to find strength there.  This kind of shocked me at first, but as I thought about it it made sense.  I was doing my best to be clean and needed the Lord's help as my motives were pure.

About 2 more years went by and I dated and lived the best I could.  I got into a relationship with a girlf who wasn't the best influence and we touched each other inappropriately.  I brought it up with her and we discussed our desires to be better.  I went into my new bishop to talk with him about it and told him that I wanted to fix it.  The girl and I wanted to improve so over the next month we worked on it.  We sat down and made rules, set limitations ----but still we struggled.  Finally I decided it was best if we broke up because I wanted to be worthy to go to the temple and knew I was not on a path that would take me there.  After the break-up I felt so good and felt like I was doing what was right and began to feel the spirit again.  Sacrament became much more meaningful to me during this time.  I felt the calm reassurance through the spirit that I had been forgiven.

A few months went by and I went to the same bishop to renew my temple recommend.  He asked me all the normal questions and when he asked me if I viewed pornography and I answered no.  He asked me if I have inappropriate thoughts or masturbate and I answered yes and he asked me more about it.  His responses were in a very rude tone and he said "I cannot give you a temple recommend, pulled the recommend book away, and proceeded to tell me that I could not get a recommend until 5 months went by without any relapse."  Part of me understood and part of me was upset because of the spirit I felt other times in my life and from what my last bishop told me.  I remember leaving his office in tears frustrated and angry with him, but most of all with myself.  My thoughts were on anything and anyone but the savior.  I felt like I was a terrible person.  I went home and cried and asked the Lord for help.  I asked him if I was unworthy to go to the temple.  It seemed all of my progress thus far in my life was a waste and that I was just as worse as ever.  I became discouraged and at times depressed.  While crying in my bed that night I told myself I would not be bitter and that I would trust that what the bishop said was right.

Discouraged, but determined to be obedient I tried with everything I had over the next few weeks to not masturbate.  The first little while was easy, but after a week it built up until the temptation was constant.  I began touching myself and when I was near climax would catch myself and say "you can't do this!"  I found that as I caught myself it was more so I could answer yes to the temple recommend interview question in five months than it was because I wanted to "do what is right."  I would for the next few days touch myself but avoided climax.  The urges built up more and more but would return each day more powerful than the last.  I became more discouraged and felt like it was impossible. I would pray and ask the Lord for strength to not give in so that I could go to the temple. I began to look at pictures of girls in bikinis and caught myself getting worse and worse.  The thought came to mind to go further and to look at hardcore pornography.  I immediately stopped and saw where I was going, and I did not like it.  All of the feelings, emotions within that were building up the longer I went were too much to resist.  I was frustrated with myself and felt helpless.  I closed my computer, masturbated to climax, so that I could relieve myself of my sexual feelings so that I would not begin looking at pornography again.  I am so glad that I decided to close my computer and the past little while has again been easy.  But after this experience, I am faced with the dilemma:  do I continue to remain abstinent from masturbation and give it up cold turkey and risk those feelings building up inside me again.  If this is the right answer I worry that again I will turn to pornography, though I want to avoid it so badly.

From all these experiences, I have come to the conclusion that the real question is, how bad is the sin of masturbation.  One bishop tells me that I need to go to the temple more to keep my thought more on the Savior while dealing with the problem, and another bishop tells me I am flat-out unworthy to go to the temple.  Part of me wants to overcome masturbation, but my worry is that stopping all at once may do more harm than good (as I worry that sexual urges will build up so bad and that temptation will lead me towards more serious sins like pornography) I believe the best and healthiest and most beneficial way to overcome it is to slowly improve (i.e.-- once a week, to once a month, to once every two months, etc.) I will struggle with it for some time, maybe years until I can fully master control.  If this were the case, and masturbation makes you unworthy to go to the temple then what if I find a girl I want to marry?  I am nearing the end of my college career and am therefore a bit older.  Do I postpone getting married until I master this?  I want to be better and I want to be worthy to go to the temple, but it is more complicated than that.  Believe me, If I could quit all at once I would!  But I feel it is not an option, with how it went when I tried giving it up all at once.

Since the experience I have read church talks, studies, and many articles on the subject.  Some studies are now finding that masturbation has positive health benefits and leads to less prostate cancer.  Some studies show more confident and positive sexual relationships within marriage of those that masturbate.  They found that couples are better able to express love because the partners know their body and what leads them to climax.  From this knowledge of their own body they are better able to help their partner show their love for them in the natural god-given ways.

In years prior and even in recent times masturbation has been the silent and assumed "no, no" of members, but I have never personally heard talks directly on the matter from church leaders.  I believe a large percentage of members struggle with masturbation and I feel like if it was such a serious sin to keep you away from the temple that it would receive more attention from church leaders.  My personal intuition and spirit tells me that sure masturbation shouldn't become so addictive to the point where it consumes your life or where it leads you to do much worse sins like pornography, rape, incest, etc. From this belief I hope not to be misunderstood--  I am not trying to justify masturbation.  I am simply expressing my concern and question:  How bad of a sin is masturbation, and is it a sin because it itself is wrong, or is it wrong when it becomes addictive or leads to other sins?  Part of me feels like I shouldn't have to be masturbation-free to go to the temple as long as it is innocent like in my youth and if I do not let it become addictive or destructing.  I to become completely free from it to go to the temple?

There is much to consider and so many factors and uncertainties:
  • Pres Packer in the "For young Men Only" makes it sound like the body is designed to help you with the urges as it is released naturally.   I don't have wet dreams.  For me, it builds up more and more and it becomes almost unbearable.  Am I just weak?  
  • Which Bishop is right?  Is masturbating something where I can still go to the temple to get added help from the Lord, or is it a sin that makes me from going to the temple?
  • If it was so bad all along, how could I feel the spirit so strongly on my mission and when I have been to the temple in the past?   
  • If it is a "serious" sin, why is it not talked about more by church leaders.  Gambling became a big problem and we heard the gambling talk.  Many people struggle with masturbation yet there hasn't been a talk by church leaders in the past few decades. 
  • Was my masturbation while a child a sin?  I felt it drew me closer to righteous things.  For me, it only became damaging when that was mixed with pornography or went to a point of addiction.  
  • If it is wrong altogether, do I give it up all at once or work on it little by little.  Doing it over time will be most successful I feel but delays other commandments like going to the temple and getting married. 
Though there are many questions, my main concern is this:  If it was so obviously wrong to one bishop, why was it acceptable and encouraged for me to attend the temple by another?  The counsel given by each were in complete opposition to each other.  Which is right?  

I have read experiences of fathers who's sons committed suicide because their bishops were untrained to deal with the issue and told the kids that they would go to Hell if they couldn't overcome masturbation.  When seeking solace for their son's suicide the bishops said they were going to Hell for committing suicide.  Many people have left the church because of the issue of masturbation and because of the confusion on their worthiness.  I try not to blame the church.  In stories like these where members are counseled incorrectly or inconsistently,  we must realize members have flaws and that only the Lord knows and will be the final judge.

I feel so helpless, frustrated, and alone.  I know the savior is there to help and I pray to him every night that I may figure this out.  I want to follow the Savior and just don't know how to do it because there is not enough help and talk about the subject.  In the mean time I have been praying to receive personal revelation on what to do, or what is right.  I agree that masturbation in its unrestrained form is bad, but is there a time and a place for it and does it deem somebody "unworthy" to go to the temple? Please post and share this with friends throughout the LDS church.  Post any input you have. 

Again, I post this with humility, honestly wanting to change and be better.  Hopefully I am not the only one that feels this way and that this reaches ears of others who are struggling with this same problem.





Side note:  Understand that everyone has their weaknesses and to each their own.  We all struggle with our own trials and each suffer in our own Gethsemane.  For me, I do everything else almost to the exact but this is the one area what I personally struggle with.  I believe each person's tests are specifically tailored to the individual to help them grow and I am merely seeking to know what is right and wanting to learn and grow from this trial.




32 comments:

  1. I, too, have struggled with the morality of masturbation, and I am very impressed with your first bishop's approach in recommending that you visit the temple more often. However, in all my bishop's interviews and interactions with church leaders, I never once encountered questions regarding my personal, sexual behavior unless I proposed them. Then again, I'm a woman. Do the standards differ?

    I rarely, if ever, feel inclined to touch myself for pleasure, and for most of my teenage years considered masturbation sinful. My high school boyfriend occasionally experienced testicular vasocongestion ("blue balls"), but refused to masturbate, even when I suggested it. I was surprised, but I learned to think of it as something that did not belong in a healthy relationship.

    Even now, I'm unsure of my opinion. When I heard of a later boyfriend masturbating, I felt alienated. I wanted to have a permanent role in his sexual experiences, bar none, and felt that we owed that to one another. In a way, I still believe this. After all, our bodies are designed to accommodate each other. However, I realize that we all have different ways of expressing and exploring our sexuality, and MY methods may be equally reprehensible to others.

    Most importantly, I think, members and non-members alike must recognize that this issue cannot be dismissed; that these are very real and beautiful sexual urges. What we must do is determine the manner of our expression.

    However, I must also emphasize the importance of self control. Accepting masturbation as a natural, even good, impulse does not necessitate that we adopt a no-holds-barred approach in which masturbation is always acceptable. Like most other things, masturbation has its time and place.

    I believe this issue to be best addressed through prayer. Our Heavenly Father will not leave questions unanswered. And there IS an answer, even if it's different for everyone.

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  3. Your first bishop was more inspired, whereas the second one was simply reiterating the old school stance that has been quietly laid to rest. A friend of mine is gay, I helped reactivate him. He was interviewed for the Melchizedek Priesthood and eventually the Temple. My friend was honest and admitted that he masturbates. He asked his bishop and our stake president if masturbation was okay. The answer surprised and inspired me: The General Priesthood manual of instructions says nothing against or even about masturbation, so as long as we members masturbate without porn and without conceiving the kind of fantasies that could lead us to sexual sins, masturbation is okay and is no obstacle to temple worthiness and attendance! Think of it. Contrary to Elder Packer's unscientific assertion, not all men have wet dreams, but all men build up sperm. Our sperm has to come out, and if not via sex or wet dreams, then the mechanism for the release is manual stimulation. We men cannot be blamed because the manual stimulation is extremely pleasurable. The analogy is peeing. Some people consider pee to be dirty and vulgar. A good Priesthood holder could pray, fast, study scriptures and serve all he could pleading with Heavenly Father to remove the urge to pee, but God ordained peeing a natural mechanism, and holding pee in is unhealthy. When we eventually release our pent up pee, we are physically relieved. So it is with out sperm. It is no sin that the release is pleasurable. The Holy Spirit is THE Testator, and masturbating kept you healthy and receptive to the Spirit, so trust the witness from God; brother, you got your answer. Don't be hard on yourself and enjoy having a healthy body. Peace out, brother!

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    1. Wow...Do you actually believe this?

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  4. One other point: I believe that Priesthood leaders are instructed to stick to the worthiness questions unless specific issues are addressed. They will and should not bring up maturbation unless we do, and we do not need to invite unhealthy guilt into our lives and "confess" to mastubation any more than we might confess to peeing, enjoying a nice jog or a tasty slice of pizza. Brother, we LDS guys get guilted way too much. We're chaste, we serve, we love our neighbors, so let's not beat up on ourselves for functioning the way God programmed our bodies to work. Jacob

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  5. I think there is a reason that masturbation is never talked about by church leaders or mentioned in church handbooks. That reason could be that it is not a very serious sin. Especially compared to pornography. However, masturbation does still drive the Spirit away and while it is sparse, there is SOME counsel from church leaders against masturbation so I for one would still avoid it as a sin. I know from experience that masturbation can be spiritually damaging and addictive and that when you get it under control, your life is so much better.

    It seems hasty to assume that one of your bishops is wrong and one is right. We need different direction and guidance at different times in our lives and maybe God has given you these two different bishops with different ideas about worthiness for a reason. Isn't it possible that your previous bishop was inspired to tell you to increase temple attendance to deal with masturbation to strengthen you spiritually at that time, while at the same time your current bishop was inspired to tell you to stop altogether to deal with masturbation and strengthen you spiritually now? Obviously this current bishop's direction is having an impact on your life. You've created this blog and telling your story, especially about these sensitive issues, can be cathartic, not to mention this is a form of confession--an importance aspect of repenting. Maybe this bishop's guidance is giving you what you need spiritually at this point in your life.

    With any addictive behavior, it is going to be incredibly difficult if not impossible to stop all at once. Masturbation can be very addicting and so stopping gradually is reasonable and wise. Keep in mind that while masturbation is not talked about by church leaders, pornography is. All the time. There is absolutely no question that it has a more damning influence on your spirit than masturbation. So I would work your hardest to stop masturbating, but remember that you are probably better off having a serious masturbation problem than having a mild pornography problem.

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  6. I can see you posted this over a year ago. But if you are still monitoring it I Just wanted to throw in my two cents and say that I had a similar experience. I relate to all the feelings and questions you have listed here. I also had a confusing experience w a bishop that made me feel poorly and ended up w me talking with a councelor at byu. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts and experiences since this post. If you are interested in an email exchange, make a sign. I would be happy to explain my thoughts and experiences.

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  7. That sounds a lot like my life. I won't write all the details simply because that would make a long post. Suffice it to say that I understand what you've said here on a very personal level.

    I CANNOT bring myself anymore to believe that anyone who says that masturbation (I really wish there were a better word for it since "masturbation" actually translates more or less to "dirtying oneself") is wrong. The damage caused by that kind of thinking is inexcusable.

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  8. I need help to know whats right too! Once I see: "It is a sin!" then I see: "Its natural." Hmm... lets talk about it in this way: Im a woman what means its different for me. And, ehm, ehm, there is just one thing called clitoris that is made only for pleasure! Nothing else. Why then did God give it to me if not for masturbating?
    Also, I think, if you dont watch porn, dont imagine something, its okay. Thats my opinion.

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    1. Great point, Monika. Your clitoris serves no other purpose than to give you pleasure. Thanks for pointing this out.

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  9. I just came across this site and found it interesting. I am going to give my 2 cents. I don’t know if this is read my many anymore but I feel I need to respond. First I was a Bishop during the 1970’s and 1980’s. I have been in three Bishoprics. 2 Stake High Councils and a counselor in a Stake Presidency. I have held many other leadership and teaching positions in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
    I was introduced to masturbation by my older brother when I was about 12 years old. I masturbated just about every day since I was 13, sometimes 2 to 4 times a day. It felt good and no one ever talked to me about it. When I was a Bishop attending a leadership session of our Stake Conference the visiting authority, then an assistant to the Twelve said that masturbation was a “sin”. I did not believe him and took this as his opinion. He did not say that it was a message from the First Presidency or the Quorum of the Twelve. I have always enjoyed the company of the Spirit in my callings and in my personal life, even during and after masturbating. Since that time, while I was a Bishop, I received a letter from President Kimball stating that masturbation and oral sex are sins. Again it was not said as “this is the doctrine of the Church”, so I did nothing about that information. About 6 months later I received another letter from President Kimball withdrawing the first letter. Since that time all reference to masturbation and oral sex has been withdrawn from all official documents and handbooks. I do not believe the Church will ever officially state that masturbation and oral sex are ok to participate in. They have and do now state that all members need to keep the “law of chastity” which is that there is to be no sexual contact with another person outside of legal marriage between a man and a woman. This, in my opinion leaves masturbation open and up to each of us individually. We are all entitled to inspiration from God through the Holly Ghost. I have done a lot of praying on this matter for me and my wife and so has she. I have come to the conclusion that for me and my wife masturbation is a natural activity and is ok to do. I also believe that this activity is personal and each one of us needs to go to our Father in Heaven and find out for ourselves. The answer may be different for you than for me. We are all individuals with different needs and personalities there is no “one answer for all” except that masturbation is not a sin neither is oral sex in marriage. I hope this helps someone.

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    1. Thank you so much. Your inspiration to respond was well received today. Your words give me much comfort.

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  10. Thank you all your adive really helps ,and tge fact that you understand the problem and are lds thank you .

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  11. [part 1 of 2]
    Too often we seem to desire a Mosaic law of sorts. I.e. we want to know how many steps it is lawful to take on the Sabbath, and what type of meat we're allowed to eat, or what activities it's okay to participate in. I liken this to a period in my life when I decided to follow counsel to not watch any rated R movies. While patting myself on the back for avoiding R movies, I felt like I was given cart blanche to watch any rated PG-13 movie that I wanted to regardless of its content or message. As I've matured both mentally and spiritually, I've learned that while not watching R movies is an excellent guideline to keep me relatively safe - I can go beyond that and actually look even at PG-13 movies and make decisions based on whether or not I feel like the content is going to be difficult or dangerous for me personally and the triggers that I know I have.

    Masturbation is something that I struggled with as a youth. Pornography was also in the picture. I was not an active church member until I was a junior and senior in high school, and when I knew that pornography was wrong, I stopped looking at it, but I did not learn that masturbation was wrong until later. Stopping that habit took much longer. I would go for long periods of time without an issue and then slip up. Often it would be late at night or early morning. Or, I would let things go too far with my girlfriend during kissing and through rubbing up against her would experience orgasm ('levi loving'). In all of these instances I would describe the process as a slow build-up of pent-up desire for sexual gratification which eventually lead to a release. When you are addicted to something, your body experiences cravings for substances or activities that will bring physical and chemical feelings to your body that it finds pleasurable. By 'pleasurable' this could mean that it relieves stress, lowers anxiety, decreases boredom, makes you feel 'high' or happy, and/or just plain feels good.

    You are addicted to masturbation.

    Understanding this and treating it as an addiction will help you to overcome it. I am masturbation-free for many years now, but recognizing that it is something I am addicted to helps me to constantly be situationally aware of my triggers and how to avoid relapsing again.

    We all strive for becoming our ideal selves - following the injuction to 'be ye therefore perfect, even as I am perfect'. But we're not perfect and never will be, so don't beat yourself up when you're reminded of that fact when you slip up. However, have hope that you can change. You can choose each day, each minute, who you want to become. Notice I said 'become', not 'be'. It's because we're always becoming something - and this leads to who we are on a moment to moment basis.

    In overcoming an addiction, identify other, healthy, activities that will produce the same kinds of pleasurable chemicals in your body that it craves. Things like exercise, sufficient rest, singing, a good diet, etc. will help. As your body feels fulfilled via these other activities, the urges or cravings will subside and you'll gradually re-train your body to crave these activities instead of masturbation or pornography.

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    Back to the Mosaic law comment above. When I was on my mission I slipped up a couple of times. I spoke to my Mission President about it. One of the most freeing moments in my life was when he told me, "Elder, if this happens to you again, I want you to take care of it on your own - have a prayer with your Heavenly Father and work it out together. Of course, if it becomes too frequent or too difficult for you to stop, then see me again." I'm paraphrasing because it was so long ago, but hopefully I'm capturing the essence of what was communicated to me. I'd been conditioned for a long time to be like those I saw on TV who would commit some sin and then go to a confessional where they told all to a clergyman to ease their conscience. I had been relying on an outside source to be my spiritual guide and communicator with my Heavenly Father. I'd sin, feel bad, confess, and feel good again. What my Mission President did was to cause me to take my relationship with Heavenly Father into my own hands, and to think critically about my actions myself. I don't know if I can explain it, but I finally understood the role of a 'judge in Israel' (be that a Bishop, Stake President, Mission President, etc.). They are there to assist us in improving our relationship with Heavenly Father and preparing to return to His presence. But they can't do it for us. And simply because we confessed something, doesn't mean that we get a free pass. We have to take ownership of the responsibility to change ourselves. I think the parable of the 10 virgins is instructive in this regard.

    For some reason, once I knew that the first line of communication was with God, things became easier for me. I somehow no longer saw myself as a victim to my urges, but as someone who could choose whether or not to act on them.

    As an addiction, it will be a life-long process to overcome and master it. There will be times when you are weak and you may make mistakes. Have hope, it is possible to overcome any addiction. As you do so, you will come to know yourself as well as your Heavenly Father does. By truly coming to know yourself and your weaknesses and your strengths, you will have power to accomplish amazing things.

    If things are staying the same or getting worse - look at your ecclesiastical leader as someone that can help you by mobilizing additional resources to help and who can serve as an independent source of counsel and guidance through your attempts to improve yourself and leave unwanted habits behind you. He will be praying over your situation and you can have hope and faith that he can receive guidance that Heavenly Father knows you need in order to change. However, never lose sight of the fact that you have your own direct channel to God and that He can directly communicate guidance and direction to you for your life and specific challenges. If you are on the road to improvement and occasionally slip up, talk to God first and determine together what to do about it. This may be enough, with no need to involve your ecclesiastical leader. God can help you to know.

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    1. Thank you, Jed. You have a real gift for expression. Your words and wisdom gave me much comfort on a particularly guilt-addled day. Much love and light to you.

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  13. I'm have the same problem as you but I feel really touching after reading this . Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel relieved.

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  14. I'm have the same problem as you but I feel really touching after reading this . Thank you for sharing your experience. I feel relieved.

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  15. The problem isn't you. The problem is the Mormon Church and its false teachings. You don't need to be worthy to receive God's salvation. It is a gift. Get out of the Mormon Church and end its dominion over your life.

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  16. I feel like crying now. I struggle with the problem of pornography, but I can't stop. I feel like I can't speak to anyone for fear of judgement from my closest friends. I hate not being able to help you, but I wish you good luck on your journey of righteousness.

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    1. Look into the LDS addiction recovery program, Google it

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  17. I am a student at BYU and have taken many courses about sexuality and impacts it can have on us emotionally and spiritually. This will mainly be my take and opinion on it, but I think one reason why we are strongly encouraged to not masterbate is because Heavenly Father intended this significant sacred power to be shared with our beloved eternal companion. This power creates high emotions, and is spiritually significant. God wants these emotions to be shared with our spouse, not with ourselves. I understand that each person is different with unique struggles. Only God can judge and help you perfectly. Prayer can help, but it first has to start with a desire to want to only use this sacred power in the way God intended it to be used, within the institution of marriage with our beloved companion. I personally think that there are unseen ways which go beyond the capacity of our mind to comprehend in which misusing this sacred power can negatively affect us. In short, to masterbate thinking that there is not harm is swimming in dangerous waters. Only you and God know you best, but trust me, don't come to conclusions hastily which may seem rational to you. Pray about it, study about it in your mind. Instead of concentrating on not masturbating or avoiding it, maybe focus your life on other things which are good and worthwhile. Focus on and build your life around virtuous things. Lastly, Prayer and a desire to become better is key. No one will be perfect overnight, just trust in God and continue forward in faith, and don't be too hard on yourself. God wants us to be happy. Understand that you need to change, but then get to work with a positive, cheerful attitude.

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    1. An important question you may want to ask yourself, what is attitude toward this power God gave me? Do I have a testimony of it's divine purposes? Where is my heart at concerning the true purposes of this power? (Strengthening bonds between spouses, emotionally and spiritually, and to bring children into the world).

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  18. There is a huge spectrum when it comes to individuals and their level of sex drive. I believe masterbation is OK, especially for people with high sex drive. It is a natural way to "bridle your passions" without committing sin that is specifically mentioned in the scriptures (adultery, coveting others wives etc). A man or woman can manage their sex drive through masterbation and move on with their day/life--no harm no foul. I believe masterbation has been demonized by a certain amount of zealotry--perhaps by individuals that either had low sex drive or married someone with the same amount of sex drive and/or demanded their partner have sex more than they wanted to.

    I do believe pornography is a sin and can drive the Spirit from ones life. I believe masterbation (within moderation) to be a normal and healthy outlet that God has given us to help us bridle our sex drive and thus keep sexual relations within the bond of marriage. I don't buy the "masterbation is sexual relations with yourself".
    The bottom line is to communicate with God and seek his Spirit. It will help you know if you have crossed a line. You will feel the Spirit withdraw. If a Bishop has guilted you into believing that any form of masterbation is a sin that will turn you into a sinful pervert unfit to dwell in God's presence, then they are in for a rude awakening during judgement day.

    I do believe God's plan is one of freedom from captivity. Torturing yourself to the point of isolation, where you cannot even look at a female without being consumed with the urge to look at porn and masterbate is not freedom--that sounds a lot like captivity. Masterbating to control your sex drive so it doesn't dominate your waking thought is freedom. Not all people struggle with bridling their sex drive, and I believe many church leaders are in this boat. I believe many church leaders have large sex drives and masterbate--which is why it is not specifically called out in official church policy--although many interpret what is written to read that way.
    I pray God's mercy and blessing go with anyone confused on this issue. Please pray and seek the Spirit. Know that God knows you, and has provided a way for you to be free from Satan's chains of torture. I personally would not bring up this sin with any Bishop unless you feel prompted to. If a Bishop asks you directly, do not lie, but I would simply say "it isn't a problem in my life" or "it isn't something I struggle with" unless it has become something that drives the Spirit out.
    Take hope and courage brothers and sisters--don't let your God given sex drive chain you in eternal torment (that really is Satan's plan to call good evil and evil good and mix truth and error).

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  19. You should trust yourself. From experience you have seen that its whatever the bishops opinion is. You are a grown man. God gave you a brain and a heart to decide what you feel is right by yourself. You know whats best for yourself and you should respect yourself and your feelings. God doesnt want some man telling you what is good and bad in your own bedroom when you're alone. Give yourself more credit than that! You're a good person, you decide what is best and right for you. This makes me so sad. I would never want my child to feel this way.

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  20. The Lord directed me here this morning, and here is some professional material from the church that can truly help. Please prayerfully study these 4 documents:
    “Managing thoughts”
    Uploaded link: http://jmp.sh/k6nQtDy
    “Pornography - Oaks”
    Uploaded link: http://jmp.sh/CMdOZut
    “Power in the Priesthood packet”
    Uploaded link: http://jmp.sh/UdMjCL8
    “Overcoming Temptation”
    Uploaded link: http://jmp.sh/ysmpPd3
    Want the entire folder? Uploaded link: http://jmp.sh/6NrD0Og

    May Christ purify us all from iniquity, All the best ~ Your faithfully brethren

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  21. I realize this is an old blog post but I hope this comment finds you. I've done extensive research on this topic both as a therapist and a member in the faith. I believe you will find this write up of mine in harmony with your feelings and a great help.

    http://scriptureguidedlife.blogspot.com/2018/01/dont-touch-addressing-sexual-taboos-in.html

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  22. Thank you so much for this! It hit home!

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  23. Sorry if this is a repost. I can't see if it accepted my post or not.

    My wife and I have been married for 5 years, both faithful members of the church. We were sealed for all Eternity. We love each other and desire to be faithful to each other. However, we have a little problem. My wife does not enjoy sex. After years of trying to figure it out though counselling, books, blogs, videos, therapy, etc...we've sort of given up. She simply cannot get turned on. I've though that maybe she simply isn't attracted to me. She claims that isn't the issue. She simply can't get aroused. So sex is kind of a chore for her and awkward for me. It's hard to get turned on when you are the only person who wants to be there. She tries. She really does. Sometimes we have an okay time, but it's hit and miss. Sometimes it's simply akward. So we chatted and came to the conclusion that it would help both of us if I masterbated sometimes to relieve the pressure sex puts on both of us. We tried it for a while but I wasn't sure if it was right or not. So I asked my bishop. He said it is between me, my wife, and the holy ghost. Foolishly perhaps, I decided to double check by asking a second bishop after we moved wards. He said he disagreed with my previous bishop. Masterbation is a sin and should never be engaged in. I was left scratching my head, wondering why two bishops had such distinct opinions. I wondered why the church has almost nothing to say about it. They are plenty outspoken about pornography and chastity so why not masterbation? My wife was annoyed that I asked the second bishop. She said he should stay out of our bedroom haha! Anyways, with things like this, we are supposed to pray and seek the Lords council. I've just never really been sure about getting a response on this matter. Maybe he doesn't care. Maybe there is a time and a place for masterbation. Like when Nephi killed Laban. Or when Abraham took on multiple wives. Sometimes there is a time and a place for things that seem strange. Maybe I'm delusional and need to pray and study more! Either way, I can't seem to make up my mind. I'm afraid to go down a sinful road. Sometimes mortality simply sucks! Lol. Any thoughts?

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